9 Feb 2023, 02:23
Sporting
I like the current system where if you miss 1 post/action then you aren't eligible for the stat point or rewards at the end of the duel if your team wins. I also like where if you miss 2 posts/actions you are kicked out of the team for inactivity (because if you aren't and you're paired with the same person again and you go inactive again, that would frustrate that person and make them feel as if the cards are stacked against them, plus you'd be essentially giving your opponents a free stat point while you are left shafted again). It's kind of unfair in my opinion and shouldn't be allowed to happen.
The only thing that I wish would change would be if your opponent misses 2 posts/actions IN A ROW in your match, that a staff member steps in and plays that person's character (or enters as someone else with the same abilities, stats and current health) in place of them. This way the person who actually is active but is going against 1 vs 2 won't be at a disadvantage. This is actually already done with players who end up getting banned mid-match but is not done with players who have gone MIA during a match. I think in my opinion if your partner goes missing for 2 posts/actions IN A ROW that this should be allowed to take place. Because the likelihood is that they aren't coming back.
It's different if the person tells you and the staff ahead of time that something is going on in their life and they are going to miss out for just 1 round. That's fine. Life happens. But you can't just keep saying you can't commit week after week. You signed up for dueling, you agreed that you wanted to participate and said you had time. Giving an excuse 1 time in your match to not post/send in actions is fine. Like I said life happens. But not 2 times in a row. If you signed up for dueling, you are committing to something, don't just leave your partner and your House hanging bc that's inconsiderate.
If you don't feel like you can do it at the time, please let people know beforehand and step out. If this happens, I think someone else should come in and be able to be the person's partner instead, even if it's mid-match. That person would come in with the same stats, same abilities and same current health that the original person would have had, so everything is still fair. It just allows that it's a fair fight on either side. If IC that doesn't make sense, the staff would be the one to godmode the person's missing character for the duration of the duel, which already is done for banned players.
Literally, if your partner doesn't post/send in actions 2 times in a row, if a staff member or another player doesn't jump in and fill that position to replace them, you are as good as dead. 1 vs 2 is almost impossible to win. It's guaranteed that the other side will always win against you. Having a staff member jump in and play the missing character for the rest of the duel (unless that player comes back, although if they miss 2 posts/actions in a row, it's pretty obvious they aren't intending on coming back) is the fair thing to do so it's still 2 vs 2. This also makes things keep running smoothly.
The only thing that I wish would change would be if your opponent misses 2 posts/actions IN A ROW in your match, that a staff member steps in and plays that person's character (or enters as someone else with the same abilities, stats and current health) in place of them. This way the person who actually is active but is going against 1 vs 2 won't be at a disadvantage. This is actually already done with players who end up getting banned mid-match but is not done with players who have gone MIA during a match. I think in my opinion if your partner goes missing for 2 posts/actions IN A ROW that this should be allowed to take place. Because the likelihood is that they aren't coming back.
It's different if the person tells you and the staff ahead of time that something is going on in their life and they are going to miss out for just 1 round. That's fine. Life happens. But you can't just keep saying you can't commit week after week. You signed up for dueling, you agreed that you wanted to participate and said you had time. Giving an excuse 1 time in your match to not post/send in actions is fine. Like I said life happens. But not 2 times in a row. If you signed up for dueling, you are committing to something, don't just leave your partner and your House hanging bc that's inconsiderate.
If you don't feel like you can do it at the time, please let people know beforehand and step out. If this happens, I think someone else should come in and be able to be the person's partner instead, even if it's mid-match. That person would come in with the same stats, same abilities and same current health that the original person would have had, so everything is still fair. It just allows that it's a fair fight on either side. If IC that doesn't make sense, the staff would be the one to godmode the person's missing character for the duration of the duel, which already is done for banned players.
Literally, if your partner doesn't post/send in actions 2 times in a row, if a staff member or another player doesn't jump in and fill that position to replace them, you are as good as dead. 1 vs 2 is almost impossible to win. It's guaranteed that the other side will always win against you. Having a staff member jump in and play the missing character for the rest of the duel (unless that player comes back, although if they miss 2 posts/actions in a row, it's pretty obvious they aren't intending on coming back) is the fair thing to do so it's still 2 vs 2. This also makes things keep running smoothly.
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9 Feb 2023, 02:50
Sporting
I agree to some extent.
My only suggestion is to make the interval 7-day instead of 5-day, so those who may be busy during the standard five working days would always have a chance to post on a weekend.
My only suggestion is to make the interval 7-day instead of 5-day, so those who may be busy during the standard five working days would always have a chance to post on a weekend.
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9 Feb 2023, 02:59
Sporting
To go off of Marius; I agree that the weekend should always be part of the posting period, though I disagree with giving people 7 days to post after every round (that just seems too long to keep the game waiting between moderations without accounting for the time that it takes for the moderator to commence the rolls and format their post). I would suggest that the mods try to make it so that the moderation post is always live right before the weekend; that way people who rely on the weekend to post can always have that period of time.
Ex; Mod post goes live on a Thursday morning; deadline is Tuesday Morning (5 days after moderation post) for quidditch or Mod post goes live on Friday morning with the same deadline (4 days after mod post) for dueling.
Then, of course, if everyone posts before the deadline, modding can happen as quickly as usual, and on top of that it gives the moderator three weekdays to make the rolls and format the moderation as they want (speaking from experience, even if you have some work to do, roll really slowly and take a while to type, you can usually get a moderation post out in three days if you put that above personal roleplays).
Ex; Mod post goes live on a Thursday morning; deadline is Tuesday Morning (5 days after moderation post) for quidditch or Mod post goes live on Friday morning with the same deadline (4 days after mod post) for dueling.
Then, of course, if everyone posts before the deadline, modding can happen as quickly as usual, and on top of that it gives the moderator three weekdays to make the rolls and format the moderation as they want (speaking from experience, even if you have some work to do, roll really slowly and take a while to type, you can usually get a moderation post out in three days if you put that above personal roleplays).
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9 Feb 2023, 03:11
Sporting
if it is too long, especially for duelling, it could possibly mean the duelist won't have time to update their trunk after the match ends, which I think almost happened in the first stage.
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9 Feb 2023, 03:37
Sporting
The Long Read
Agree with Aureila Notrevace. There's no real "fair" choice for this. But I say keep the "no activity no reward" criteria. "No activity no reward" is reasonable given all the work and effort put in by everyone else. It's a team based activity requiring some form of efforts from everyone involved.
Also agree with Pierre Marchonne and Marius Brown, give people the weekend if possible. A good portion of people rely on the weekend to do anything that's not mandatory in their day-to-day life, ex. roleplaying.
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TL;DRI want to attempt to take a neutral view to this as well as possible before I make the big choice. It's mandatory to keep in contact with your team (discord, owls, etc.), and of course, life does happen. When players miss a post, its reasonable to say that giving them no reward despite their team potentially winning may seem fair given the posts are only 50 words. That's pretty lentient. More than generous than the min 200 word count requirement for rps across the website.
Aurelia made a valid point that I liked being pointed out, there's really no "fair" way to do this. Sure you can remove the "no activity no reward" criteria, but then you don't factor the players who waitlisted to be on the team. As a Slytherin broom-racer, the waitlist is kinda long. For all they know, they'll be sitting there for a long period of time. How does that look to them (especially new-coming, excited first years) when they can sit and look at a current sport thread and watched a broom racer not even post maybe for half the race, or even at all? One post, okay life happens. Maybe two, three...more? Okay, what is going on? Why is that person allowed to stick around while the waiter is just twindling their thumbs off in the corner?
This doesn't also factor in that said sports rely on the team communicating with each other. That's also not even just the people playing on the fields, that's also including the captains. Captains (also assuming Quidditch), have a deadline themselves. The teams could communicate, have their actions all set and-oh, something happened to the captain(s) and they're not able to post in time the actions. The entire team is messed over in one round. The systems can be difficult already factoring in so many people, criterias, etc. How is it "fair" for the captains if they have deadlines to put in their team's actions, but doing mod posts they can stretch the time which can affect others in the long run?
It's also difficult to say that keeping the "no activity no reward" criteria is "fair" in itself. How is it really "fair" for players to be punished for missing one post with a week's time limit, but will have to potentially wait long periods of time for mod posts to be put up? Of course mod posts require effort, time, and ensuring they properly follow the system (dice rolls, rules, asking for feedback from others, etc). But how's that not to say that players also aren't putting in their own efforts? The efforts, of course, may not be similar, but efforts nonetheless. The systems are still developing, with potions just now being included in them.
I don't think I need to remind everyone that sports are voluntary. Something troubling happens in the real world, welp, time to clock out then. Put yourself back on the waitlist. Oh, waiting for this one sport to open up is taking too long, let's join a different sport instead, or just remove ourselves and find something else to do for our characters. Many choices, all done in the factor of it all being voluntary or in desire of what we want for ourselves and our characters. The entire website was built upon volunteering work. We don't have to do these things, but we want to. You don't have to write 200 min word count rps. You just have the will and desire to do so anyway. You don't even have to come onto the website at all, but you want to.
The point is that being in a sports is voluntary, and you shouldn't really be frustrated with the "no activity no reward" criteria. The only 'punishment' you get out of it is not just getting a point if your team doesn't win, or at the worst being removed from the team. Just take it as maybe putting your coat up and letting someone else get a turn at it. Everyone has a part to play with their own set of responsibilities.
Aurelia made a valid point that I liked being pointed out, there's really no "fair" way to do this. Sure you can remove the "no activity no reward" criteria, but then you don't factor the players who waitlisted to be on the team. As a Slytherin broom-racer, the waitlist is kinda long. For all they know, they'll be sitting there for a long period of time. How does that look to them (especially new-coming, excited first years) when they can sit and look at a current sport thread and watched a broom racer not even post maybe for half the race, or even at all? One post, okay life happens. Maybe two, three...more? Okay, what is going on? Why is that person allowed to stick around while the waiter is just twindling their thumbs off in the corner?
This doesn't also factor in that said sports rely on the team communicating with each other. That's also not even just the people playing on the fields, that's also including the captains. Captains (also assuming Quidditch), have a deadline themselves. The teams could communicate, have their actions all set and-oh, something happened to the captain(s) and they're not able to post in time the actions. The entire team is messed over in one round. The systems can be difficult already factoring in so many people, criterias, etc. How is it "fair" for the captains if they have deadlines to put in their team's actions, but doing mod posts they can stretch the time which can affect others in the long run?
It's also difficult to say that keeping the "no activity no reward" criteria is "fair" in itself. How is it really "fair" for players to be punished for missing one post with a week's time limit, but will have to potentially wait long periods of time for mod posts to be put up? Of course mod posts require effort, time, and ensuring they properly follow the system (dice rolls, rules, asking for feedback from others, etc). But how's that not to say that players also aren't putting in their own efforts? The efforts, of course, may not be similar, but efforts nonetheless. The systems are still developing, with potions just now being included in them.
I don't think I need to remind everyone that sports are voluntary. Something troubling happens in the real world, welp, time to clock out then. Put yourself back on the waitlist. Oh, waiting for this one sport to open up is taking too long, let's join a different sport instead, or just remove ourselves and find something else to do for our characters. Many choices, all done in the factor of it all being voluntary or in desire of what we want for ourselves and our characters. The entire website was built upon volunteering work. We don't have to do these things, but we want to. You don't have to write 200 min word count rps. You just have the will and desire to do so anyway. You don't even have to come onto the website at all, but you want to.
The point is that being in a sports is voluntary, and you shouldn't really be frustrated with the "no activity no reward" criteria. The only 'punishment' you get out of it is not just getting a point if your team doesn't win, or at the worst being removed from the team. Just take it as maybe putting your coat up and letting someone else get a turn at it. Everyone has a part to play with their own set of responsibilities.
Agree with Aureila Notrevace. There's no real "fair" choice for this. But I say keep the "no activity no reward" criteria. "No activity no reward" is reasonable given all the work and effort put in by everyone else. It's a team based activity requiring some form of efforts from everyone involved.
Also agree with Pierre Marchonne and Marius Brown, give people the weekend if possible. A good portion of people rely on the weekend to do anything that's not mandatory in their day-to-day life, ex. roleplaying.
9 Feb 2023, 03:44
Sporting
Cynthia Beaufort wrote: 9 Feb 2023, 03:11 if it is too long, especially for duelling, it could possibly mean the duelist won't have time to update their trunk after the match ends, which I think almost happened in the first stage.
Your trunks are locked at the start of the match. You can't update them until the duel ends. And the next duel won't take place for awhile after the former match ends, so it gives you more than enough time to 'update your trunk'. You are also given a few reminders before the dueling starts saying that you should make changes to your trunk ahead of time, so you should have enough time to make updates to your trunks before the matches start.
I do agree with what Pierre said though, having the mod post be on the weekdays that last until the end of the weekend, that way people who can post more on the weekdays and people who can post more on the weekends can both have a chance to post!
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9 Feb 2023, 04:22
Sporting
To expand upon Lear's post. We are intending to make all sports consistent in terms of stat point provision.
What are your thoughts on one missed post being a loss of stat point vs two missed posts (equivalent to removal from the team) being a loss of stat point? Presently racing and quidditch have the former, duelling has the latter.
What are your thoughts on one missed post being a loss of stat point vs two missed posts (equivalent to removal from the team) being a loss of stat point? Presently racing and quidditch have the former, duelling has the latter.
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9 Feb 2023, 04:37
Sporting
I think 2 missed posts should be loss of stat point if your team wins (which is unlikely if it's dueling but more possible in quidditch/broom racing) and also be removal from team too. Of course you can reapply but you'd have to go on the waitlist again. This is to ensure that you'll remain active next time and give those on the waitlist (who might be more active than you) a chance to participate.
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9 Feb 2023, 05:36
Sporting
I agree with the 'no participation, no reward rule'. I like the activity rule as is, and can say from experience it is the reason I gave up my dueling spot (due to my Jan holiday) after being on the waitlist for 6 months (and will probably be on it for a long time again). I felt it would not be fair to be on the team and go MIA for an entire stage. I feel that others should also have this mentality signing up for a sport, and if not, let others be on the team that do.
I think having the loss of the stat point should be after one missed post, and removal from the team be after 2 missed posts. Having the loss of the stat point should serve as a reminder that people should post. 50 words once a week isn't much to ask, especially when you've signed up knowing this. I agree, having the posting period have the weekend included allows all people, weekday and weekend posters, to post.
I think having the loss of the stat point should be after one missed post, and removal from the team be after 2 missed posts. Having the loss of the stat point should serve as a reminder that people should post. 50 words once a week isn't much to ask, especially when you've signed up knowing this. I agree, having the posting period have the weekend included allows all people, weekday and weekend posters, to post.